I want Coach Tang to stay. I think the world of him.

[Highway26north]

I'm just jumping in here and haven't read the multiple pages of this discussion. I have tremendous respect for Learnin and I am a firm
believer in separation of church and state. I think Tang has done a terrific job and it would be a shame to lose him.
I think Tang would have to think long and hard if, hypothetically, Baylor offered the job, a situation that is itself a long
shot that presumes Baylor will have an opening. If you don't want a coach who doesn't get mentioned when
vacancies arise, then Tang is not your man. I believe Weber is still available tho his wife might strangle him if he
answered the phone. Whoever goes to Kentucky is going to fail because, alas, the cheating world has now caught up
with the cheaters. Pitino is the PERFECT candidate for Kentucky and I bet Vegas agrees that's the likely outcome. Sleaze on sleaze.

[stlcatfan]

Whoever goes to Kentucky is going to fail because, alas, the cheating world has now caught up
with the cheaters. Pitino is the PERFECT candidate for Kentucky and I bet Vegas agrees that's the likely outcome. Sleaze on sleaze.

Pitino to Kentucky would be fine with me. It's interesting, but not surprising how many of the historically dominant programs in basketball (e.g., Kentucky, KU, UNC, UCLA) also have a history of major cheating.

[learnin]

Tang has never said that God will give K State a national championship.
He has said that there is no reason. why a conference or national championship could not be won here. This is something that even a confident secular coach will believe.
Unfortunately, people misconstrue Tang’s desire to live a Spirit led life. He believes that anyone who is a follower of Christ should be open to being used by him to glorify Him. Tang has said wherever God places him he will serve. I understand these thoughts quite clearly because I am fellow Christian, but to a non-believer this is folly and foolishness. If Tang was a rabid advocate for castrating pets and was outspoken about it, would this be acceptable; it made Bob Barker a hero. A man has to quiet about his faith in Jesus, but is lauded as a cultural hero for advocating some social cause. I think that it is fine for players and coaches to share themselves with others.

Tang did not say God will give K- State a national championship. He did say, after advancing to the elite 8, that this is what happens when you put God first. He followed that statement, after returning to Manhattan, with the promise of a national championship. From whence did the national championship promise originate if not from putting God first? Both statements, even if the latter does not say God will give K-State a national championship, are still dangerous.

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come on Charlie Brown kick the football
I will.hold it this time
Okay Lucy I trust you

[learnin]

Hatred of the man? Not at all. I was excited as any poster, here, over the hire. I was excited that the basketball program hired an African American coach. It was past time. I was excited that coach was from Baylor, a successful program. Gradually, I became concerned with over the top salesmanship, rhetoric and religious expression. The purple couch, dancing in the stands, giving his number out to students, it’s all too good to be true. And it was. We humans are flawed and seldom does a human do any thing with purely selfless intentions. Take myself. I could say I’m writing this only out of a pure motive of what’s best for the program. But, perhaps, there’s a little of I told you so in between the lines. With the season going downhill, and the student support waning, coach reprimanded the students by reminding them of all the things he had done for them. He expected them to return the favor and show up en masse. It’s always best for we human beings to limit our preachiness and public displays of good works. It always comes back to embarrass us at some point.

If this is as far as it went, I wouldn’t press the issue. My main concern is the real harm that can ensue whenever this crazy faith stuff is disseminated throughout society. If you see no danger from a person believing that God gives championships to people who put him first, then I see why you think I must be motivated by a hidden agenda. In that case, there’s nothing I can say that could change your mind.

I don't think anyone here is suggesting Tang is perfect. He'd be the first one to tell you he is not. You'd rather have a coach that doesn't 'sell' his program? You don't think Weber tried to sell his program to recruits and the fans? Rhetoric? Religious expression? Are you not seeing those two as one in the same? He did. And it is funny that you mention 'between the lines'. You can perceive pretty much whatever you want when you want to see something. From my point of view, none of your beefs, your "pressing the issue", with Tang adds up to the clear disdain you feel for the man, which makes me think there is something else, something more fundamental that you just can't get past it, but you are hesitant to say it.

At the end of the day, learnin, you are spending far too much time being negative over this. You have Tang in a position that he can never change the way you think about him. Anyone who has been on these boards for any length of time knows how you feel about a number of topics. I am not telling you that you HAVE to support Tang. I am telling you that you are kicking a horse that won't get up and walk, trot, or gallop again. But you will do what you do for reasons that you won't divulge. You can do what you want, like anyone else, but at the end of the day, you are in a room by yourself talking to no one. Tang leaving the program does more harm to KSU than it does good at this point. I don't think Drew will leave Baylor, but if he does, Baylor is likely one of the few programs Tang will leave KState for. Then a coaching search will happen again, and I sincerely doubt the Cats would find a guy available right now that would bring the energy to the program like Tang does and did.

I’ll stop beating this dead horse when fans stop putting this coach on some kind of high moral pedestal simply because he spouts pious platitudes and dances with the students. Look what happens
when we do so. We crucify a University President and glorify the coach. We say the coach fought hard for a player because he wanted to rehabilitate him but was there any self interest on the part of the coach?

[spot2180]

I don't think anyone here is suggesting Tang is perfect. He'd be the first one to tell you he is not. You'd rather have a coach that doesn't 'sell' his program? You don't think Weber tried to sell his program to recruits and the fans? Rhetoric? Religious expression? Are you not seeing those two as one in the same? He did. And it is funny that you mention 'between the lines'. You can perceive pretty much whatever you want when you want to see something. From my point of view, none of your beefs, your "pressing the issue", with Tang adds up to the clear disdain you feel for the man, which makes me think there is something else, something more fundamental that you just can't get past it, but you are hesitant to say it.

At the end of the day, learnin, you are spending far too much time being negative over this. You have Tang in a position that he can never change the way you think about him. Anyone who has been on these boards for any length of time knows how you feel about a number of topics. I am not telling you that you HAVE to support Tang. I am telling you that you are kicking a horse that won't get up and walk, trot, or gallop again. But you will do what you do for reasons that you won't divulge. You can do what you want, like anyone else, but at the end of the day, you are in a room by yourself talking to no one. Tang leaving the program does more harm to KSU than it does good at this point. I don't think Drew will leave Baylor, but if he does, Baylor is likely one of the few programs Tang will leave KState for. Then a coaching search will happen again, and I sincerely doubt the Cats would find a guy available right now that would bring the energy to the program like Tang does and did.

I’ll stop beating this dead horse when fans stop putting this coach on some kind of high moral pedestal simply because he spouts pious platitudes and dances with the students. Look what happens
when we do so. We crucify a University President and glorify the coach. We say the coach fought hard for a player because he wanted to rehabilitate him but was there any self interest on the part of the coach?

I hope some day you have those moments when you can cheer for the team without hate for the coach, whatever the unstated reason.

[Snyder]

I don't think anyone here is suggesting Tang is perfect. He'd be the first one to tell you he is not. You'd rather have a coach that doesn't 'sell' his program? You don't think Weber tried to sell his program to recruits and the fans? Rhetoric? Religious expression? Are you not seeing those two as one in the same? He did. And it is funny that you mention 'between the lines'. You can perceive pretty much whatever you want when you want to see something. From my point of view, none of your beefs, your "pressing the issue", with Tang adds up to the clear disdain you feel for the man, which makes me think there is something else, something more fundamental that you just can't get past it, but you are hesitant to say it.

At the end of the day, learnin, you are spending far too much time being negative over this. You have Tang in a position that he can never change the way you think about him. Anyone who has been on these boards for any length of time knows how you feel about a number of topics. I am not telling you that you HAVE to support Tang. I am telling you that you are kicking a horse that won't get up and walk, trot, or gallop again. But you will do what you do for reasons that you won't divulge. You can do what you want, like anyone else, but at the end of the day, you are in a room by yourself talking to no one. Tang leaving the program does more harm to KSU than it does good at this point. I don't think Drew will leave Baylor, but if he does, Baylor is likely one of the few programs Tang will leave KState for. Then a coaching search will happen again, and I sincerely doubt the Cats would find a guy available right now that would bring the energy to the program like Tang does and did.

I’ll stop beating this dead horse when fans stop putting this coach on some kind of high moral pedestal simply because he spouts pious platitudes and dances with the students. Look what happens
when we do so. We crucify a University President and glorify the coach. We say the coach fought hard for a player because he wanted to rehabilitate him but was there any self interest on the part of the coach?

If Coach Tang leaves your boy is not coming back. Weber had plenty of time and things ended with a thud. Interesting you get disturbed by religious talk but you use the words crucify and glorify in the same sentence.
Crazy Faith For Coach Tang

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From Adam Zagoria

Baylor’s Scott Drew ‘in negotiations’ with Kentucky, decision expected soon

Meantime, basketball insider
@trillydonovan
reported that Baylor has already engaged Texas Tech's Grant McCasland about succeeding Drew at Baylor.

Go Grant!!

[Tbonespop]

Reports just out Scott Drew staying at Baylor, not going to Kentucky.

[wild@nite]

Reports just out Scott Drew staying at Baylor, not going to Kentucky.

Yep. I know Kelvin Sampson is 68, but that'd be my #1 if I was the Kentucky A.D. Get 6-7 good years out of him and move on. He would have them in the final 4 within 2 years, imo.