APR and Bowl Games

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Re: APR and Bowl Games

Postby ajcksu82 » November 12th, 2017, 9:19 pm

The count is down to 19 teams with a higher APR then K-State and still able to get to 5-7.

T1. Air Force 995 4-6
T4. Duke 992 4-6
T4. Minnesota 992 5-5
T4. Vanderbilt 992 4-6
T11. Maryland 984 4-6
T16. Georgia Tech 983 5-4
T16. Middle Tennessee 983 5-5
T16. Utah 983 5-5
T19. Indiana 982 4-6
T22. Florida 980 3-6
T30. Boston College 978 5-5
T30. California 978 5-5
T30. Texas 978 5-5
T34. Buffalo 977 4-6
T34. Nebraska 977 4-6
T36. Cincinnati 976 3-7
T36. Miami University 976 4-6
T36. Pitt 976 4-6
T41. Connecticut 975 3-7
T41. Kansas State 975 5-5
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Re: APR and Bowl Games

Postby Wildcat69 » November 13th, 2017, 6:17 pm

No team should be playing in a bowl without a winning record imo - I mean reward the team for being on the losing end of season with a nice bowl trip and swag? We absolutely destroy Bruce Weber for not getting to tournament but it’s a hell of a lot harder to get an NCAA bid vs winnning six games and being eligible - there are over 300 B.B. teams and 68 slots and 120 or so FBS schools with like 50 slots for bowls
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Re: APR and Bowl Games

Postby NMcat » November 13th, 2017, 7:12 pm

If offered a bowl game with a 5-7 record, I would hope we would respectfully decline the offer. Three of our five wins are against teams with 1-9 records.

At this point, our "best win" is against Central Arkansas, currently ranked #3 in the country in the FCS.

If we are to get a bowl game we need to beat OSU or ISU.
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Re: APR and Bowl Games

Postby KITNooga » November 14th, 2017, 7:45 am

Wildcat69 wrote:No team should be playing in a bowl without a winning record imo - I mean reward the team for being on the losing end of season with a nice bowl trip and swag? We absolutely destroy Bruce Weber for not getting to tournament but it’s a hell of a lot harder to get an NCAA bid vs winnning six games and being eligible - there are over 300 B.B. teams and 68 slots and 120 or so FBS schools with like 50 slots for bowls



the fatal flaw in your position is that those teams that could most use the extra practice and development time are the ones who don't get it.

so the rich get richer, the strong get stronger and those 'other teams' stay 'other teams'

to those who see a bowl game as a reward, I get it. for me, it's the opportunity to have extra days to improve and develop.

that's not something any TEAM should ever turn down.
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Re: APR and Bowl Games

Postby angcat » November 14th, 2017, 7:51 am

Total y, :agree:
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Re: APR and Bowl Games

Postby hilltopwildcat » November 14th, 2017, 10:56 am

So how has last year's bowl trip worked out this year?
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Re: APR and Bowl Games

Postby KITNooga » November 14th, 2017, 11:37 am

hilltopwildcat wrote:So how has last year's bowl trip worked out this year?


tell me how it was a negative?
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Re: APR and Bowl Games

Postby ajcksu82 » November 14th, 2017, 11:52 am

hilltopwildcat wrote:So how has last year's bowl trip worked out this year?


That would be impossible to tell unless you had 2 identical teams which one went to a bowl game and one did not. Saying there was no benefit based on this year's result is connecting 2 different variables together. With the reduced # of practices allowed by the NCAA, I'm not sure how extra practice time can be a negative, even if you don't like the coaches system they are practicing in. JUCOs and transfers are looked upon favorably because they have extra experience, even in other systems, how can extra practice be a bad thing?

To me its a simple benefit/cost evaluation, do the potential benefits outweigh the potential costs?
The benefits are extra practice time, extra publicity for the team, reward for the players, marketing for the university, build excitement for the next year.
The costs are negative publicity, loss of $$ due to travel expenses, loss to a bad team, what else?

Not to mention that the great Florida State added the previously cancelled UL-Monroe game back onto their schedule to help increase the odds they make a bowl game. If FSU thinks its a benefit to go to a bowl, why do others think its a negative?
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Re: APR and Bowl Games

Postby ajcksu82 » November 14th, 2017, 12:12 pm

In 2016, North Texas, Mississippi State and Hawaii went to bowl games with losing records and Army and South Alabama got in despite having multiple wins over FCS schools.
North Texas is 7-3, Mississippi State is 7-3, Army is 8-2 and South Alabama is 4-6 and Hawaii at 3-7.

In 2015, San Jose State, Nebraska, and Minnesota made bowl games with losing records. In the following year, Nebraska went 9-4, Minnesota went 9-4 and San Jose State went 4-8.

Of the 8 teams that made bowls despite not qualifying previously, 5 improved to be legit bowl teams, 2 of which were 9 wins teams, and 3 regressed. Although the 3 that regressed aren't usually great teams.

Although all of this may not matter because there is only a projected 2-3 openings and a lot of teams with better APR.
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Re: APR and Bowl Games

Postby KITNooga » November 14th, 2017, 12:40 pm

ajcksu82 wrote:
Although all of this may not matter because there is only a projected 2-3 openings and a lot of teams with better APR.


that and the season does not end today. two more games to go. tough hill to climb to get to 6. But 6 and even 7 is still out there.
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