Tomlin

[xtrawildcat]

I started to write a comment. Then thought better of it. All of this is water under the bridge and not worth discussing as nothing has changed.

Roster construction over the next couple of months is the important thing in KSU basketball.

[spot2180]

Do you have actual evidence Tomlin struck the woman, if so please provide that proof. Were battery charges filed against Tomlin, was he tried and convicted for battery or were charges dropped? What were Title IX issues? Please be specific. Title IX is designed around equality in sports. Any inuendo around that is a cover up that there is no evidence to support the claims. I'd like to see proof, of pretty much anything. I'm just looking for facts here. No inuendo, just facts and lots of rumors.

I heard from a very good source probably before any one on this board knew. Later it began to surface here and other places so I assumed my source was correct. But, do we really need direct evidence of the punch? Does it matter if the charges were dropped? I trust a man, who has worked himself up through academia to become president of this University. I trust his decision over the protests of those who are pissed that they might have missed out on a NCAA bid. I, also, watched Tomlin get multiple technicals last season and wondered if he might have anger issues. Then, I saw him get two technicals right after he began to play for Memphis.

Still, after all this time and supposedly hearing it from a 'source', few to none here knows the exact details of what happened, otherwise it would be much more clear cut, wouldn't it? If that source wasn't an eye witness to the event, it is second, third or even fourth hand information.

I think it might be time to just let this go and move on. Tomlin moved on. I think we should all move on. This season is over. Those complaining about players and the coach were not happy when the coach was hired, so nothing he can say or do will placate those who think he should have never been hired. Linton did what he did. Should he be fired for it? Should he be fired for wins we didn't get to enjoy? How many wins would that have been? How many wins in that window of time should be the standard? And...Tomlin moved on to another team and isn't coming back. For all we know, he's adjusted to his situation and playing basketball. He may hate KState now, but he wouldn't be the first athlete we've had at KState who left under circumstances he/she thought was unfair and hated the school afterward. It is a part of life.

Those hating on Coach Tang right now, had their reasons when he was hired, and they won't change. I don't think he can do anything they like at this moment because their hate is deep enough to think he'd never be able to redeem himself in their eyes, for reasons they have yet to mention and will likely never mention. Those guys won't move on, but the rest of us can and will.

[114Hickory]

As someone who has worked directly with Title IX investigation/adjudication at an institution of higher education, I just want to say that Title IX investigations are not criminal investigations. They may run concurrently or consequtively with one another although the accusing party usually chooses which avenue to pursue. Title IX findings and outcomes are confidential and even those on the investigative side usually are not privy to the resulting decision(s). Our legal team, who has provided extensive training on this, insists that we not even disclose that a Title IX investigation is underway or has been completed. The fact that stakeholders cannot be informed of the process or results leads to a lot of speculation with some being dissatisfied because they believe nothing, or the wrong thing, has been done, etc. For the two with which I have been involved, we have just learned to take the hits since we're legally required not to communicate anything at all.

Obviously, I don't know anything about Tomlin's situation. I have no idea who is right or wrong in any of this, including the decision makers and leaders from the preseident through AD to coaches. I am surprised anyone has said even as much as they have about the situation regarding the Title IX piece of this. I won't assign blame to anyone because I simply don't know the details. Similarly, I won't let anyone off the hook for the same reason. I just hope that the best decisions were made given the circumstances while recognizing that this might not be the case.

[DCTwister]

Title IX investigations sound a lot like but the secret police. A bit troubling. But thanks for sharing.

[Ksuminnesotacat]

Not really here try this it might help….

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If you knew how many times I’ve uttered that prayer, you’d think I was out of my mind.

No I would not, that’s kind of the point. A few less judges around here and this disappears. Like extra said let’s get to building something rather than tear it down…

[katlander]

If Tang stays on board I will back off. But I really do not agree with sweeping it under the rug. That is what created this mess. It will be interesting to see how Linton behaves going forward. He said mistakes were made but I do not feel we are being told the whole truth.

[katlander]

One more bit of prognostication here. Based on Tang's replies to some questions I think there is a good chance that he moves on. The reason he will give is that he feels he cannot be true to his primary mission which is helping young men become better men. or something to that effect. When a third party interferes it is difficult to fulfill the commitments made to these young guys and their families.

I am skeptical by nature, but I do tend to trust and believe Coach Tang. I am excited to see where his philosophy and approach will take us. He relates well to young people and brings an energy and positivity to K-State basketball. I don't want to see a roller coaster of coaches and our Cats in constant rebuild mode.

Did Linton throw a wrench in the works?. Nobody really knows, but Tangs departure would be strong circumstantial evidence.

[stlcatfan]

One more bit of prognostication here. Based on Tang's replies to some questions I think there is a good chance that he moves on. The reason he will give is that he feels he cannot be true to his primary mission which is helping young men become better men. or something to that effect. When a third party interferes it is difficult to fulfill the commitments made to these young guys and their families.

I am skeptical by nature, but I do tend to trust and believe Coach Tang. I am excited to see where his philosophy and approach will take us. He relates well to young people and brings an energy and positivity to K-State basketball. I don't want to see a roller coaster of coaches and our Cats in constant rebuild mode.

Did Linton throw a wrench in the work?. Nobody really knows, but Tangs departure would be strong circumstantial evidence.

Yeah, the timing of the article and President Linton bringing this to the public (again) makes me wonder if either Coach Tang may be moving on, or if President Linton himself maybe be stepping down. I'm sure there has been a lot of pressure on him over how this situation was handled and he also has been dealing with cancer. He could say that he is stepping down for health reasons.

Regarding those who say that Coach Tang and AD Taylor were being insubordinate by keeping Tomlin on the bench, while saying he was indefinitely suspended and there was a process in place... If that were the case, why was Tomlin on the bench with the team for multiple games? If Tomlin was dismissed from the team right after the Aggieville incident, Tomlin being on the bench would have lasted exactly ONE game. President Linton would have made a phone call to Tang and Taylor and told them in no uncertain terms that Tomlin will not be on the bench ever again. They can help him get his degree, but he is to no longer sit with the team on the bench during games. I personally believe something happened between the Villanova game and Tomlin being publicly dismissed less than 24 hours later. JMO.

[katlander]

One more bit of prognostication here. Based on Tang's replies to some questions I think there is a good chance that he moves on. The reason he will give is that he feels he cannot be true to his primary mission which is helping young men become better men. or something to that effect. When a third party interferes it is difficult to fulfill the commitments made to these young guys and their families.

I am skeptical by nature, but I do tend to trust and believe Coach Tang. I am excited to see where his philosophy and approach will take us. He relates well to young people and brings an energy and positivity to K-State basketball. I don't want to see a roller coaster of coaches and our Cats in constant rebuild mode.

Did Linton throw a wrench in the work?. Nobody really knows, but Tangs departure would be strong circumstantial evidence.

Yeah, the timing of the article and President Linton bringing this to the public (again) makes me wonder if either Coach Tang may be moving on, or if President Linton himself maybe be stepping down. I'm sure there has been a lot of pressure on him over how this situation was handled and he also has been dealing with cancer. He could say that he is stepping down for health reasons.

Regarding those who say that Coach Tang and AD Taylor were being insubordinate by keeping Tomlin on the bench, while saying he was indefinitely suspended and there was a process in place... If that were the case, why was Tomlin on the bench with the team for multiple games? If Tomlin was dismissed from the team right after the Aggieville incident, Tomlin being on the bench would have lasted exactly ONE game. President Linton would have made a phone call to Tang and Taylor and told them in no uncertain terms that Tomlin will not be on the bench ever again. They can help him get his degree, but he is to no longer sit with the team on the bench during games. I personally believe something happened between the Villanova game and Tomlin being publicly dismissed less than 24 hours later. JMO.

I'm with you St Louis. I thought the same thing regarding Tomlin and his multiple games on the bench. I think the Mercury article said that it was announced that Tomlin was no longer with the team shortly after the incidence at Linton's residence. It feels like there was some disagreement regarding how the Tomlin situation should be handled but when Tomlin showed at the protest Linton made the final call on his own.

[katlander]

I started to write a comment. Then thought better of it. All of this is water under the bridge and not worth discussing as nothing has changed.

Roster construction over the next couple of months is the important thing in KSU basketball.

I just want to hear that there will be no change in our coaching staff.